Not debate specific, but i wonder if Americans might have more sympathy for Palestinians if they realized that a fair number of Palestinians are Christian. 🤔
Thank you for what I have come to expect from you: clear, concise and consistently truthful information. There are some corporate media outlets which want to say that vance won the debate. How can an accomplished liar win anything? This is the flaw of the corporate media. They want to use the “both sides” concept to excuse the behavior and lies that vance and trump continue to double down on. I am not sure that they are afraid of. I do know that I cannot trust these people with being the fourth estate as why should be. Nixon would have gotten away with Watergate if these fools had been around.
Thank you. Vance "won" in the sense that he didn't come off creepy or as a petulant child (except when he whined that he got fact checked). The bar is so low for MAGA politicians that anything short of throwing something is considered a victory. Walz was the adult in the room and it showed.
Some have said that he came off as a creepy used car salesman. I don’t understand why their behavior has been normalized. Thanks for that extra clarification!
Thanks for the summary. I turned it off around minute 10. My TV was in danger of having items thrown at it. I was unable to stomach Vance’s good-guy act and his very effective ability to make the lies he was spewing seem so genuine. It made me sick and it made me furious.
Insightful, but your commentary stated Harris’ administration or her actions, when she is and has been the Vice President, a distinction that needs to be shouted from the rafters. It is Biden’s administration, until Harris is voted in and becomes President (gods willing).
Yes! This drove me crazy in the debate! Vance kept calling it her administration. It's not! She is NOT calling the shots. Nor was she the "border czar". She was tasked with investigating ways to improve the situations in countries people were fleeing.
The fact that Harris, Walz, their speech-writers, and the rest of their team seeem terminally incapable of doing a basic Google before speaking about 10/7 reflects really, really badly on their intelligence let alone their competence. 1195 is not 1400, 1200, "over 1200", and all the other inaccurate counts they have given. The fact that not all of those 1195 were killed by H*mas is highly freaking relevant (https://www.oct7factcheck.com/oct7factcheck/Friendly-fire-Israelis-killed-by-IDF-on-10-7-53b53822642740209685ec54c8ca2cac), as is the fact that 815 were confirmed to be civilians. This is basic fact-checking, and their inability to do it doesn't help engender confidence.
If they insist on continuing to bring it up and use it as de-facto justification to continuing breaking domestic and international law (as the "law and order candidates"), they need to do better. Which, to be clear, I'm rooting for them to do - I want the chance to organize toward a sustainably strong 3rd-party presence in local, state, and federal elections so that we have a shot at a viable 3rd-party presidential candidate in 4 or 8 years. Only possible if there are future elections, which is not the plan of the candidates who have already hired over 8,000 people with the express purpose of dismantling democracy in favor of a dictatorship.
Walz should have put much more emphasis on corporate greed as the cause of most inflation, especially in food prices and housing costs.
An honest, intelligent person watching the debate would indeed agree that Walz “won” in persuasively presenting the facts and the benefits of the Harris-Walz program. I can only hope that there are enough voters like that for the Harris-Walz ticket to prevail.
The moderators should have been more assertive in making Vance answer the questions that were asked instead of ranting on with debunked tRumpian fantasies. But I was pleasantly surprised that they did cut the microphones when things got out of control… well, once, anyway.
thx Qasim for summarizing the debate; the graphs you included are great. would be a trick tho would love this to get to the ‘uncommitted’ especially with the ‘have to scan a code for fact checking’ - how many did that and were all statements checked?
Thank you for that splendid summary. Lots of detail. I am distressed about there being no fact-checking of Vance. People seemed to find him well spoken and clever—that is very dangerous. Too bad he wasn’t up against Kamala or Pete Buttigieg. When he is scorned or baited he loses his cool and acts like a child.
Well, a debate should have functions of educating the public as well as demonstrating skills of the candidates. When one candidate lies significantly on every issue, or just doesn't answer the question.... and there is no on the spot fact checking, what's the point? I haven't screamed at my TV in years, but tonight I was non stop. It is infuriating. I am well informed, but many people do not have time to be so informed. Just adding to my huge disgust for MSM.
It’s pointless without face checking, particularly when they know they can lie and lie and lie. This all goes out to an overly receptive audience. This may be one of the few things upon which they base their decision.
I was also outraged by some youths near the locus who were asked what they wanted to hear about. They said their key issue was how to lower their tuition. Nice that they care about the world.i have a few things to suggest to them: 1) go to a less expensive school, 2) get a scholarship or 3) get a job.
Not debate specific, but i wonder if Americans might have more sympathy for Palestinians if they realized that a fair number of Palestinians are Christian. 🤔
I recently interviewed Palestinian Christian Pastor Munther Isaac on this question exactly. Sadly he himself said the cruelty ignored Arab Christians.
This is a fantastic write up. Thank you for the work that you do!
Thank you Lee ❤️✊🏽
Thank you for what I have come to expect from you: clear, concise and consistently truthful information. There are some corporate media outlets which want to say that vance won the debate. How can an accomplished liar win anything? This is the flaw of the corporate media. They want to use the “both sides” concept to excuse the behavior and lies that vance and trump continue to double down on. I am not sure that they are afraid of. I do know that I cannot trust these people with being the fourth estate as why should be. Nixon would have gotten away with Watergate if these fools had been around.
Thank you. Vance "won" in the sense that he didn't come off creepy or as a petulant child (except when he whined that he got fact checked). The bar is so low for MAGA politicians that anything short of throwing something is considered a victory. Walz was the adult in the room and it showed.
Some have said that he came off as a creepy used car salesman. I don’t understand why their behavior has been normalized. Thanks for that extra clarification!
Thanks for the summary. I turned it off around minute 10. My TV was in danger of having items thrown at it. I was unable to stomach Vance’s good-guy act and his very effective ability to make the lies he was spewing seem so genuine. It made me sick and it made me furious.
If Vance isn't careful with that slimy approach he might give lawyers a bad name. :)
😂😂😂😂😂
Insightful, but your commentary stated Harris’ administration or her actions, when she is and has been the Vice President, a distinction that needs to be shouted from the rafters. It is Biden’s administration, until Harris is voted in and becomes President (gods willing).
Yes! This drove me crazy in the debate! Vance kept calling it her administration. It's not! She is NOT calling the shots. Nor was she the "border czar". She was tasked with investigating ways to improve the situations in countries people were fleeing.
The fact that Harris, Walz, their speech-writers, and the rest of their team seeem terminally incapable of doing a basic Google before speaking about 10/7 reflects really, really badly on their intelligence let alone their competence. 1195 is not 1400, 1200, "over 1200", and all the other inaccurate counts they have given. The fact that not all of those 1195 were killed by H*mas is highly freaking relevant (https://www.oct7factcheck.com/oct7factcheck/Friendly-fire-Israelis-killed-by-IDF-on-10-7-53b53822642740209685ec54c8ca2cac), as is the fact that 815 were confirmed to be civilians. This is basic fact-checking, and their inability to do it doesn't help engender confidence.
If they insist on continuing to bring it up and use it as de-facto justification to continuing breaking domestic and international law (as the "law and order candidates"), they need to do better. Which, to be clear, I'm rooting for them to do - I want the chance to organize toward a sustainably strong 3rd-party presence in local, state, and federal elections so that we have a shot at a viable 3rd-party presidential candidate in 4 or 8 years. Only possible if there are future elections, which is not the plan of the candidates who have already hired over 8,000 people with the express purpose of dismantling democracy in favor of a dictatorship.
Damn it!! 1400 people killed by Hamas on 10/6??? According to Haaretz, several Israelis were killed by the IDF!
Walz should have put much more emphasis on corporate greed as the cause of most inflation, especially in food prices and housing costs.
An honest, intelligent person watching the debate would indeed agree that Walz “won” in persuasively presenting the facts and the benefits of the Harris-Walz program. I can only hope that there are enough voters like that for the Harris-Walz ticket to prevail.
The moderators should have been more assertive in making Vance answer the questions that were asked instead of ranting on with debunked tRumpian fantasies. But I was pleasantly surprised that they did cut the microphones when things got out of control… well, once, anyway.
Yep, well said.
thx Qasim for summarizing the debate; the graphs you included are great. would be a trick tho would love this to get to the ‘uncommitted’ especially with the ‘have to scan a code for fact checking’ - how many did that and were all statements checked?
I love visuals.
Thank you for this excellent summary ! I appreciate your hard work.
Thank you, SB.
Thank you for that splendid summary. Lots of detail. I am distressed about there being no fact-checking of Vance. People seemed to find him well spoken and clever—that is very dangerous. Too bad he wasn’t up against Kamala or Pete Buttigieg. When he is scorned or baited he loses his cool and acts like a child.
Well, a debate should have functions of educating the public as well as demonstrating skills of the candidates. When one candidate lies significantly on every issue, or just doesn't answer the question.... and there is no on the spot fact checking, what's the point? I haven't screamed at my TV in years, but tonight I was non stop. It is infuriating. I am well informed, but many people do not have time to be so informed. Just adding to my huge disgust for MSM.
It’s pointless without face checking, particularly when they know they can lie and lie and lie. This all goes out to an overly receptive audience. This may be one of the few things upon which they base their decision.
I was also outraged by some youths near the locus who were asked what they wanted to hear about. They said their key issue was how to lower their tuition. Nice that they care about the world.i have a few things to suggest to them: 1) go to a less expensive school, 2) get a scholarship or 3) get a job.