the comment wasn't exactly logical, but neither is politics (imo -- idk how to put this disclaimer on everything I post, but it's always in my subtext as I write: "comments are my opinions only")
the comment wasn't exactly logical, but neither is politics (imo -- idk how to put this disclaimer on everything I post, but it's always in my subtext as I write: "comments are my opinions only")
ok so I guess my answer to your initial response is yes, as a politician I would expect you to become somewhat intolerant of those who made a point of discriminating against you on religious grounds (calling you a non-Muslim, didn't they?) during your IL campaign... Of course I don't know if the imam who opened the festivities yesterday was Ahmadi themselves, or not (do you?).
PS as an American Reform Jew, but not a supporter of Netanyahu's/Likud's recent rampage(s) across the Middle east (but also not a supporter of the craziness taking place outside the Israeli consulate in Chicago yesterday, and in fact, if anything, as a supporter of Chicago's uniformed police, regardless of religion, who are under enormous stress rn thanks to that handful of self-appointed "pro-Palestinian"s who undoubtedly will hire lawyers like me/you to get them back outa jail, but whose rights of free speech imo do not include provoking my cops/trying to re-enact the horrifying events of the 1968 DNC in Chicago as these protesters LITERALLY say they want to do), I don't see how the DNC's (rather unoriginal) hiring of one imam and one rabbi on one night merits even a mention in the context of "interfaith unity."
But, to paraphrase what Barack Obama apparently said last night, you do you.
I won't blanket all members of a community because of the bigotry of a few. It doesn't work that way. Moreover, my faith calls me to respond with justice, even in the face of injustice. That's a non-negotiable for me.
PoetryIsDemocracy, I've noticed that you "Like" my responses to you even before you've had time to read them. So you're still playing games. And in your comment above, you're all over the map regarding of whom you approve and of whom you disapprove. You claim to be a lawyer, and being anonymous helps you say anything, no matter how nonsensical, without having to take public responsibility.
Qasim didn't say he was intolerant of other Muslims. He said they were seemingly intolerant of him.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: I encourage you to reconsider how you present yourself, which, frankly, is related to your level of self-respect/(esteem?) and maturity.
I wish you could put all the energy you just exerted in support of your тАЬmy copsтАЭ & put that into multiple paragraphs about all the dead Palestinians since Oct7. There was a heavy hint of your privilege making that тАЬmy copsтАЭcomment.
If your innocent family members were being murdered & no world leaders seemed able to help, you might be an angry protester too, no? In the past Jewish did not protest. We all know how that history turned out. It makes sense to protest to the one world leader that could help right? You want to know why real de-escalation works? Because both sides start to see one another as human rather than someone that wants to do the other harm.
I personally cannot stand most religions due to living in hate filled SW Mississippi bible belt , but that doesnтАЩt mean I canтАЩt value their good ideas or share garden produce with them, or go to their kidтАЩs graduation.
In short, one does not need every single person of any religion to always agree with them. In fact, it is impossible to please everyone. In the words of a famous singer, тАЬyou can be the juiciest ripest peach in the world, and there is always going to be somebody who hates peachesтАЭ.
yeah I've been called out on "privilege" before, not much I can say about that. White since birth, Protestant turned Jewish, I live in fear that I my actions/thoughts could indeed be part of the problem. Though in this case I don't think they are.
To clarify...I absolutely support the right of Americans to protest/demonstrate loudly and long, but peacefully!, on issues of concern. I myself marched in DC in 1972, pro-ROE (which was then pending decision), and in other places and times on other issues, some personal and some as an ally. (I was not in Chicago in 1968, when I was 16, because my Republican father took the whole family to South America...I'm sure he knew even then that I'd get myself beat up if I had the chance haha.) Nor do I criticize anyone based on being angry--trust me, I'm angry about a lot of things myself.
HOWEVER. Hearing about folx in Chicago, just a half mile from my apartment, trying to provoke Chicago cops to get violent, and knowing some of those cops who have come to my assistance when my ex-husband punched me in the face in 2018 (he got his ass arrested, thankfully) and are still out there faithfully getting themselves spit on and shot at etc....in my opinion, it doesn't speak well for those who are trying to make change, any more than storming the Capitol spoke well for the MAGA movement. --Would I take them as free speech clients, though (if my license was current, which it isn't--I retired many years ago, more privilege haha)? Abso fucking lutely. I swore an oath when I became a licensed attorney in 1983, and I believe it's my duty to continue to defend the Constitutions (US and IL) to the day I die. Pro tip however: the Constitution (free speech clause in particular) doesn't privilege violence on either side of an argument. Like, even those old duels in Hamilton (The Musical)...totally illegal these days, and effing tragic when they occurred.
as for my comments about Ahmadi Muslims--see previous comment. Or maybe Qasim will jump in here...suffice to say that I (was/am trying to) support his minority-Muslim-Pakistani-emigrant-status in IL, as against entrenched-Muslim-non-Ahmadi-Illinois interests that opposed his primary run here. (He'd be an amazing US Rep.)
Over and out. Muting this convo, I've got poetry to write. blessings and I wish you (RIVERCOAST JANE) all the best in "hate filled SW Mississippi." Sounds like you are part of the SOLUTION.
I understand about not wanting violent protestors but around the world in my experience, protestors generally only become violent when they feel like they are not being heard.
In the case of Palestine, anyone US citizen my age has only seen Palestinians abused by law enforcement & bombed by Israel. ThatтАЩs 50+ years IтАЩve seen this happening. A systemic problem like this, that no other country has been willing to step in & help solve for over 50 yrs. Of course there are going to be violent protesters. IтАЩm a former 911 dispatcher & if Chicago PD canтАЩt take being yelled at, spat upon, or hit, I would hope they could find another profession. De-escalation works IMO & one has to find that mental space on the job where anger at those who are less fortunate cannot reside. IMO, pretend every person is a suicide bomber, de-escalation is part of the job.
the comment wasn't exactly logical, but neither is politics (imo -- idk how to put this disclaimer on everything I post, but it's always in my subtext as I write: "comments are my opinions only")
I mean in that case an opinion without a point can be dismissed without delay. Not sure what else to say.
ok so I guess my answer to your initial response is yes, as a politician I would expect you to become somewhat intolerant of those who made a point of discriminating against you on religious grounds (calling you a non-Muslim, didn't they?) during your IL campaign... Of course I don't know if the imam who opened the festivities yesterday was Ahmadi themselves, or not (do you?).
PS as an American Reform Jew, but not a supporter of Netanyahu's/Likud's recent rampage(s) across the Middle east (but also not a supporter of the craziness taking place outside the Israeli consulate in Chicago yesterday, and in fact, if anything, as a supporter of Chicago's uniformed police, regardless of religion, who are under enormous stress rn thanks to that handful of self-appointed "pro-Palestinian"s who undoubtedly will hire lawyers like me/you to get them back outa jail, but whose rights of free speech imo do not include provoking my cops/trying to re-enact the horrifying events of the 1968 DNC in Chicago as these protesters LITERALLY say they want to do), I don't see how the DNC's (rather unoriginal) hiring of one imam and one rabbi on one night merits even a mention in the context of "interfaith unity."
But, to paraphrase what Barack Obama apparently said last night, you do you.
I won't blanket all members of a community because of the bigotry of a few. It doesn't work that way. Moreover, my faith calls me to respond with justice, even in the face of injustice. That's a non-negotiable for me.
PoetryIsDemocracy, I've noticed that you "Like" my responses to you even before you've had time to read them. So you're still playing games. And in your comment above, you're all over the map regarding of whom you approve and of whom you disapprove. You claim to be a lawyer, and being anonymous helps you say anything, no matter how nonsensical, without having to take public responsibility.
Qasim didn't say he was intolerant of other Muslims. He said they were seemingly intolerant of him.
I said it before, and I'll say it again: I encourage you to reconsider how you present yourself, which, frankly, is related to your level of self-respect/(esteem?) and maturity.
I wish you could put all the energy you just exerted in support of your тАЬmy copsтАЭ & put that into multiple paragraphs about all the dead Palestinians since Oct7. There was a heavy hint of your privilege making that тАЬmy copsтАЭcomment.
If your innocent family members were being murdered & no world leaders seemed able to help, you might be an angry protester too, no? In the past Jewish did not protest. We all know how that history turned out. It makes sense to protest to the one world leader that could help right? You want to know why real de-escalation works? Because both sides start to see one another as human rather than someone that wants to do the other harm.
I personally cannot stand most religions due to living in hate filled SW Mississippi bible belt , but that doesnтАЩt mean I canтАЩt value their good ideas or share garden produce with them, or go to their kidтАЩs graduation.
In short, one does not need every single person of any religion to always agree with them. In fact, it is impossible to please everyone. In the words of a famous singer, тАЬyou can be the juiciest ripest peach in the world, and there is always going to be somebody who hates peachesтАЭ.
yeah I've been called out on "privilege" before, not much I can say about that. White since birth, Protestant turned Jewish, I live in fear that I my actions/thoughts could indeed be part of the problem. Though in this case I don't think they are.
To clarify...I absolutely support the right of Americans to protest/demonstrate loudly and long, but peacefully!, on issues of concern. I myself marched in DC in 1972, pro-ROE (which was then pending decision), and in other places and times on other issues, some personal and some as an ally. (I was not in Chicago in 1968, when I was 16, because my Republican father took the whole family to South America...I'm sure he knew even then that I'd get myself beat up if I had the chance haha.) Nor do I criticize anyone based on being angry--trust me, I'm angry about a lot of things myself.
HOWEVER. Hearing about folx in Chicago, just a half mile from my apartment, trying to provoke Chicago cops to get violent, and knowing some of those cops who have come to my assistance when my ex-husband punched me in the face in 2018 (he got his ass arrested, thankfully) and are still out there faithfully getting themselves spit on and shot at etc....in my opinion, it doesn't speak well for those who are trying to make change, any more than storming the Capitol spoke well for the MAGA movement. --Would I take them as free speech clients, though (if my license was current, which it isn't--I retired many years ago, more privilege haha)? Abso fucking lutely. I swore an oath when I became a licensed attorney in 1983, and I believe it's my duty to continue to defend the Constitutions (US and IL) to the day I die. Pro tip however: the Constitution (free speech clause in particular) doesn't privilege violence on either side of an argument. Like, even those old duels in Hamilton (The Musical)...totally illegal these days, and effing tragic when they occurred.
as for my comments about Ahmadi Muslims--see previous comment. Or maybe Qasim will jump in here...suffice to say that I (was/am trying to) support his minority-Muslim-Pakistani-emigrant-status in IL, as against entrenched-Muslim-non-Ahmadi-Illinois interests that opposed his primary run here. (He'd be an amazing US Rep.)
Over and out. Muting this convo, I've got poetry to write. blessings and I wish you (RIVERCOAST JANE) all the best in "hate filled SW Mississippi." Sounds like you are part of the SOLUTION.
I understand about not wanting violent protestors but around the world in my experience, protestors generally only become violent when they feel like they are not being heard.
In the case of Palestine, anyone US citizen my age has only seen Palestinians abused by law enforcement & bombed by Israel. ThatтАЩs 50+ years IтАЩve seen this happening. A systemic problem like this, that no other country has been willing to step in & help solve for over 50 yrs. Of course there are going to be violent protesters. IтАЩm a former 911 dispatcher & if Chicago PD canтАЩt take being yelled at, spat upon, or hit, I would hope they could find another profession. De-escalation works IMO & one has to find that mental space on the job where anger at those who are less fortunate cannot reside. IMO, pretend every person is a suicide bomber, de-escalation is part of the job.