look perhaps at Israel's attempt(even before Gaza) at harassing foreign media--and one might examine censorship of it's own media,
and perhaps the lack of outage might be laid at the door of such attempts (not always successful, thankfully) to suppression media reporting of its aggression against its neighbors.
It can break your brain. It doesn't seem to fit any behavior which is at all normal. The hostages were helpless, and could have been saved. Yes, they were a symbol but they were also actual people. Everyone saw their family, saw pictures of them. Unlike the Palestinians, they were humanized. But they wouldn't save them when they could? Why? Was it because they were more useful as a symbol when they were dead?
I can't understand how such people think. Maybe we will know someday--but after nothing can be done.
When the Israeli government kills them, nobody sends out messages about the pain people feel. ONLY when Hamas kills them did we receive such messages. But they are dead in both cases? Isn't the pain about THEM? THEIR LIVES?
How can the US government not notice the indifference to them? If the US government has dehumanized the Palestinians (and it has) then it did not do so to the hostages. But they do not care about the hostages either.
How do people tell so many lies day after day? It is intolerable to hear them.
God are they callous, indifferent, cruel, clumsy, amateurish and evil! And thanks to the brain trust that is what passes for government in the United States, the UK and the rest of the tattered and fraying NATO alliance, powerful weapons have been put into the hands of the worlds biggest crybabies and paranoid mass murderers. And what have these rank assholes accomplished with them? Nothing but the genocide of an innocent people and the murder of their own.
"Where is the outrage," indeed. We are left with three kinds of understandings. Biden claims to be a long time friend of Netanyahu's. It appears that Biden puts his friendship with Netanyahu above very large numbers of Palestinian, American, Israeli, aid worker, and journalist lives. It is sickening to think Biden is so superficial as to make such sacrifices of innocents just to be a pal who doesn't confront.
Second, the few occasions when Netanyahu admits to mistakes raises the possibility that the Israeli military is incompetent. Fourteen pages of the names of babies? He didn't think that maybe Hamas terrorists were hiding in the bodies of 0-1 year old babies.
Finally, and by far most likely, Netanyahu has very consistently lied about his intentions. There is no credible evidence that his goal is to destroy Hamas. It is glaringly clear that his goal is to destroy all Palestinians, so he can steal their land, and temporarily keep his ass out of the slammer.
And Netanyahu has not the slightest interest in Israeli hostages. (He'd have a problem if they were returned.) In the same way that he invents the idea that Hamas is using Palestinians as "human shields," he also uses the fact of hostages held as his excuse to annihilate Hamas and all Palestinians.
Thank you, Qasim, for this much-needed reiteration of the obligation each of us Americans has to publicly insist on and work for just and humane changes in American policy here. Your conclusion and the evidence supporting it are irrefutable, and the inhumanity of the current policies unacceptable.
We need to involve ourselves, as humane and concerned global citizens, in carefully thinking through the steps that must be promptly taken and the many other steps that must follow. I would welcome the opportunity to participate.
The slaughter of innocent Palestinians is unacceptable. To assert that it somehow comports with any sort of human self-defense is simply untrue. The inattention to the prompt negotiation of the cease-fire, of the release and return of hostages, and to durable mutual security guarantees by means of international cooperation to do so is also unacceptable, because it is doable.
Agreed and well said. And if nothing else, I want people to understand that the policies the US Govt is enabling overseas, are policies that could very well be implemented here. It's happened before, and no reason why it won't happen again.
Your other point in the reply, 'It's happened before, and no reason why it won't happen again...', is historically plain for everyone to see. Interestingly, the currents toward inclusion in society and toward democratization of civil society and governance within an inclusive, not elitist nor hierarchical, society are also in evidence for a very long time in history and are strong in European and American history continuously for hundreds of years. Once again, American women can point to their efforts, which pre-date the American Revolution, and which are historically linked to developments in Europe that extend, trace-ably, into the Renaissance. In other parts of the world, indigenous social models that were somewhat distinct in relation to Europe's also provided models of inclusive and societally mobile and plastic relations that managed both challenges of existence in the larger ecology as well as thought-ways that encouraged cooperation and that encouraged management of differences to avoid conflict.
My observation is is that currents of thought and social development have been diverse, some at odds with the others, for a long time, but these persist. The currents of thought which support elitist models have slowly lost ground, and the inclusivist-mutualist models gain ground and wider support only gradually. But, it is our honest efforts to explain factually and in a very human way that we people have the capacity to move in larger social environments together and in a cooperative way; likewise our diverse secular and our diverse spiritual models if we honestly admit that they are conscious creations, not indigenous and independent members of our living planet.
So in resolving our domestic conflicts, it is the factual dis-solution of the ideas about ourselves that we can achieve and thereby enable our awarenesses to reconstruct around, to be re-constituted by actual experience and actual human capacity.
This is multi-generational task, but it is a task that should embody our optimism and our early-in-life insights that living can be improved together and cooperatively.
Thanks, Qasim, for reminding us of the experience-based implications to US domestic politics and civil society. The same people, or the same-thinking sort of people, in America have, and currently, are making the case for elitist anti-democratic governance norms and laws. As women know as well as non-white Americans and Americans of some targeted national origins, American elites intend that they and they alone decide the kind of person who is a 'legitimate' American, who gets full civil recognition and participation, who is full protected and empowered by law and civil institutions..., in short, who gets discriminated for and who gets discriminated against.
These same people, past or present, do not see foreign and domestic policies as having fundamentally different assumptions. Domestic environments, foreign environments, ..., political alliances or multi-national alliances, .... these are simply arenas for these elites to want to freely move in and make final decisions in.
A very clear history of this is presented in the important historical analysis of Irene Gendzier, "Development against democracy : manipulating political change in the Third World", 1995, Hampton, Conn. : Tyrone Press [currently available on the internet archive at: https://archive.org/details/developmentagain...gend... ]. This is a very well researched and factually written piece of American history analysis.
The fact that this sort of elitist American policy has and is having such horrible consequences for real people, in this case Palestinians, is a fact Americans must challenge and change in order to move away from anti-democratic social development and global society development models.
To make this a short and respectful post, I will wrap up by saying that our efforts as citizens can be effective if we allow the Palestinian people themselves present us with 10s of thousands of comments and the multiples more of humane and practical decisions that they must become responsible for making and which, with the minimal but important support of many international communities of other ordinary, human and mutually respectful people of the world, will show Americans and all others the assumptions and key relationships of a build-able self-governed Palestinian community. As I offered above, 'The inattention to the prompt negotiation of the cease-fire, of the release and return of hostages, and to durable mutual security guarantees by means of international cooperation to do so is also unacceptable, because it is doable.'
where indeed?
look perhaps at Israel's attempt(even before Gaza) at harassing foreign media--and one might examine censorship of it's own media,
and perhaps the lack of outage might be laid at the door of such attempts (not always successful, thankfully) to suppression media reporting of its aggression against its neighbors.
Nut+Yahoooo is really a blood thirsty dude that represents a cult of death…..it does not matter who!
I am curious if he was involved with the killing of Americans and sinking Amarican ship off the coast of Egypt.
American of course didn’t care about those Americans…and instead paid Israel money and thanked them!! Like a true servant!
It can break your brain. It doesn't seem to fit any behavior which is at all normal. The hostages were helpless, and could have been saved. Yes, they were a symbol but they were also actual people. Everyone saw their family, saw pictures of them. Unlike the Palestinians, they were humanized. But they wouldn't save them when they could? Why? Was it because they were more useful as a symbol when they were dead?
I can't understand how such people think. Maybe we will know someday--but after nothing can be done.
When the Israeli government kills them, nobody sends out messages about the pain people feel. ONLY when Hamas kills them did we receive such messages. But they are dead in both cases? Isn't the pain about THEM? THEIR LIVES?
How can the US government not notice the indifference to them? If the US government has dehumanized the Palestinians (and it has) then it did not do so to the hostages. But they do not care about the hostages either.
How do people tell so many lies day after day? It is intolerable to hear them.
God are they callous, indifferent, cruel, clumsy, amateurish and evil! And thanks to the brain trust that is what passes for government in the United States, the UK and the rest of the tattered and fraying NATO alliance, powerful weapons have been put into the hands of the worlds biggest crybabies and paranoid mass murderers. And what have these rank assholes accomplished with them? Nothing but the genocide of an innocent people and the murder of their own.
Neteyanhu needs to brought before The Hague and imprisoned for life.
...along with Putin & Trump.
💔🤬😭
According to Haaretz, the Israeli army killed several of its own people on 10/6 also.
"Where is the outrage," indeed. We are left with three kinds of understandings. Biden claims to be a long time friend of Netanyahu's. It appears that Biden puts his friendship with Netanyahu above very large numbers of Palestinian, American, Israeli, aid worker, and journalist lives. It is sickening to think Biden is so superficial as to make such sacrifices of innocents just to be a pal who doesn't confront.
Second, the few occasions when Netanyahu admits to mistakes raises the possibility that the Israeli military is incompetent. Fourteen pages of the names of babies? He didn't think that maybe Hamas terrorists were hiding in the bodies of 0-1 year old babies.
Finally, and by far most likely, Netanyahu has very consistently lied about his intentions. There is no credible evidence that his goal is to destroy Hamas. It is glaringly clear that his goal is to destroy all Palestinians, so he can steal their land, and temporarily keep his ass out of the slammer.
And Netanyahu has not the slightest interest in Israeli hostages. (He'd have a problem if they were returned.) In the same way that he invents the idea that Hamas is using Palestinians as "human shields," he also uses the fact of hostages held as his excuse to annihilate Hamas and all Palestinians.
Thank you, Qasim, for this much-needed reiteration of the obligation each of us Americans has to publicly insist on and work for just and humane changes in American policy here. Your conclusion and the evidence supporting it are irrefutable, and the inhumanity of the current policies unacceptable.
We need to involve ourselves, as humane and concerned global citizens, in carefully thinking through the steps that must be promptly taken and the many other steps that must follow. I would welcome the opportunity to participate.
The slaughter of innocent Palestinians is unacceptable. To assert that it somehow comports with any sort of human self-defense is simply untrue. The inattention to the prompt negotiation of the cease-fire, of the release and return of hostages, and to durable mutual security guarantees by means of international cooperation to do so is also unacceptable, because it is doable.
Agreed and well said. And if nothing else, I want people to understand that the policies the US Govt is enabling overseas, are policies that could very well be implemented here. It's happened before, and no reason why it won't happen again.
Again, thanks.
These articles and comments are so useful.
Your other point in the reply, 'It's happened before, and no reason why it won't happen again...', is historically plain for everyone to see. Interestingly, the currents toward inclusion in society and toward democratization of civil society and governance within an inclusive, not elitist nor hierarchical, society are also in evidence for a very long time in history and are strong in European and American history continuously for hundreds of years. Once again, American women can point to their efforts, which pre-date the American Revolution, and which are historically linked to developments in Europe that extend, trace-ably, into the Renaissance. In other parts of the world, indigenous social models that were somewhat distinct in relation to Europe's also provided models of inclusive and societally mobile and plastic relations that managed both challenges of existence in the larger ecology as well as thought-ways that encouraged cooperation and that encouraged management of differences to avoid conflict.
My observation is is that currents of thought and social development have been diverse, some at odds with the others, for a long time, but these persist. The currents of thought which support elitist models have slowly lost ground, and the inclusivist-mutualist models gain ground and wider support only gradually. But, it is our honest efforts to explain factually and in a very human way that we people have the capacity to move in larger social environments together and in a cooperative way; likewise our diverse secular and our diverse spiritual models if we honestly admit that they are conscious creations, not indigenous and independent members of our living planet.
So in resolving our domestic conflicts, it is the factual dis-solution of the ideas about ourselves that we can achieve and thereby enable our awarenesses to reconstruct around, to be re-constituted by actual experience and actual human capacity.
This is multi-generational task, but it is a task that should embody our optimism and our early-in-life insights that living can be improved together and cooperatively.
Thanks, Qasim, for reminding us of the experience-based implications to US domestic politics and civil society. The same people, or the same-thinking sort of people, in America have, and currently, are making the case for elitist anti-democratic governance norms and laws. As women know as well as non-white Americans and Americans of some targeted national origins, American elites intend that they and they alone decide the kind of person who is a 'legitimate' American, who gets full civil recognition and participation, who is full protected and empowered by law and civil institutions..., in short, who gets discriminated for and who gets discriminated against.
These same people, past or present, do not see foreign and domestic policies as having fundamentally different assumptions. Domestic environments, foreign environments, ..., political alliances or multi-national alliances, .... these are simply arenas for these elites to want to freely move in and make final decisions in.
A very clear history of this is presented in the important historical analysis of Irene Gendzier, "Development against democracy : manipulating political change in the Third World", 1995, Hampton, Conn. : Tyrone Press [currently available on the internet archive at: https://archive.org/details/developmentagain...gend... ]. This is a very well researched and factually written piece of American history analysis.
The fact that this sort of elitist American policy has and is having such horrible consequences for real people, in this case Palestinians, is a fact Americans must challenge and change in order to move away from anti-democratic social development and global society development models.
To make this a short and respectful post, I will wrap up by saying that our efforts as citizens can be effective if we allow the Palestinian people themselves present us with 10s of thousands of comments and the multiples more of humane and practical decisions that they must become responsible for making and which, with the minimal but important support of many international communities of other ordinary, human and mutually respectful people of the world, will show Americans and all others the assumptions and key relationships of a build-able self-governed Palestinian community. As I offered above, 'The inattention to the prompt negotiation of the cease-fire, of the release and return of hostages, and to durable mutual security guarantees by means of international cooperation to do so is also unacceptable, because it is doable.'
And that's what really frightens me. Biden has locked down the borders. Blimps to monitor the Canadian border and
the stupid wall is being built. There are cop cities being built nationwide. Walls don't just keep people out...